Show Notes
On this episode of Nuance, Case is joined by Dr. Joel Hunter, Pastor of Community Benefit at Action Church and Dr. David Swanson, Senior Pastor of First Presbyterian Church of Orlando to discuss the Central Florida Pledge. The Central Florida Pledge is a community-driven call to action that unites people across Central Florida to create a safe and welcoming environment for all. Together, they discuss the formation of the pledge, the wide array of community leaders involved, and recent actions supporting local churches being targeted during their worship services. We encourage you to join the movement in loving our neighbors by signing the pledge.
Episode Resources:
Central Florida Pledge – www.centralfloridapledge.com
News coverage of church disruptions – https://www.wftv.com/news/some-churchs-grow-frustrated-with-group-protestors-interrupting-their-services/69a073f5-30af-4dae-b0f1-31928d6cfdaf/
The Pledge Visits Joy Metropolitan Community Church – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzuUnwZgN3E
The Rise of Christianity by Rodney Stark – https://www.amazon.com/dp/0060677015
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Episode Transcripts
Case Thorp
This is who we are. We pledge to keep central Florida a safe community for all who live here and for future generations. We are committed to protecting and valuing our neighbors, especially those threatened. Become a part of the solution and join us in creating a better tomorrow. To that end, I pledge I will lead by example, treating all people, especially those with whom I disagree with kindness and respect. I will refrain from inflammatory words and actions and actively support those being attacked. I will report threatening incidents of hate and violence to 1-800-423-TIPS. I will educate myself about anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, racism, homophobia, and all other forms of discrimination and help others in my circle of influence do the same. Well, friends, this is who I am as one who signed the Central Florida Pledge. Today on Nuance, we have two men of faith in the Central Florida region, the longtime pastor of Northland Church, now retired, and also the instigator, if you will, the advocate, the visionary behind the pledge, Joel Hunter. And also joining Joel is David Swanson, 20 year senior pastor at First Presbyterian Church of Orlando, my longtime friend and partner in ministry and my boss. So welcome, gentlemen, I appreciate you being here.
David Swanson
Glad to be here, Case.
Joel Hunter
Me too.
Case Thorp
So David, why don’t you just go ahead and tell Joel, like I’m the best associate pastor you’ve ever had, what it’s like to work with me.
David Swanson
Well, then I would be lying, so I don’t want to start off, you know, not telling the truth.
Case Thorp
Oh, come on. I think I need a pledge to how great Case is. Well, to our viewers and friends, welcome to Nuance where we seek to be faithful in the public square. I’m Case Thorp and I want to encourage you to like, subscribe and share. There are over 600 subscribers now on YouTube and tons of big hits on the podcast platform. So appreciate your engagement. Well, our focus today isn’t hate, and it isn’t hate speech or persecution or attacking others. It’s the opposite. The Central Florida Pledge is a network of support to ensure that no one in Central Florida lives in fear. Prompted to form after the brutal attacks of Hamas on the citizens of Israel on October 7th, 2023, the pledge brings people together who seek to do all sorts of other things. Treat every person with kindness, dignity, and respect. Stand up to hate speech. Support those who are targets of hate. Promote understanding and dialogue and create a safer, one, more beautiful world. So Joel, you were the, and are the leader in this. Tell me about what brought you to do this and what motivates you for the pledge.
Joel Hunter
Well, first of all, what motivates me is I came into the ministry out of the civil rights movement in the 60s. And so I’ve always had this place in my heart to include those who were being specifically excluded because of who they are or what they believe. So I’ve just always had this drive as the center point of my idea of ministry. When October 7th happened, a Jewish philanthropist, most of us in town know him, Allen Ginsberg, I bet he’s given $100 million to different projects in the past 15, 20 years in Orlando. But of course he’s Jewish, October 7th happened, and he came to me and he said, Joel, I see different organizations are kind of giving a response, but I really want our whole region, our whole community, to be able to respond in unity, not just to the rise in incidents of antisemitism and correspondingly Islam against Islam. Both of them had risen hundreds of percentage of incidents. But he said in all forms of bigotry, he said, would you help me organize the region? I said, absolutely. This is what I’ve done and wanted to do my whole ministry. And so basically, it was not to try to figure out what to do about the Middle East. All of us know that we can’t fix the Middle East. Not even to try to fix the nation, but we figure we can do something about our own community. And so we called together 50 on a two-days’ notice. And David was one of these people that was one of the original 50 recognized and respected community leaders from all sectors of our community, from government and law enforcement and business and nonprofit and arts and entertainment and you name it, they were there in that room. And we said, first of all, is this even a good idea? Unless this comes from the community, we don’t even want to try it. And there was a general agreement, yeah, this is a good idea. And then we had a meeting soon after that with 100 community leaders and everybody from Mel Martinez to Ana Escamani was in there politically. We had four out of the five presidents of the major universities in central Florida. We had, of course, the two sheriffs. We had many faith leaders and Boys and Girls Club, I mean, all of the sectors of the culture were there. You would recognize practically every name that was in the room. And we said…
David Swanson
And not to interrupt, Joel, but they were also the student leaders of the Jewish and Palestinian groups from UCF. It was a room like I had never been in before. It was really amazing.
Case Thorp
Wow.
Joel Hunter
Yes, thank you, very important to note because one of our strongest components is our student movement on college campuses.
Case Thorp
And for those outside of Orlando, University of Central Florida, the second largest university in the country. And so for their Jewish and Palestinian student leaders to be there, that’s a big deal.
Joel Hunter
Who, by the way, their student body has adopted the pledge in a unanimous vote as part of their approach to their campus. So to bring this to a close, as preachers often say they are, but hardly ever do, we ask if we were going to create a pledge, what components would we have in that pledge to make sure that we were creating a better community for the future that was sure to combat the incidents of bias and harassment and threat and attack against any group. And so this pledge literally is from Central Florida, by Central Florida, for Central Florida. And that’s how it came to be.
Case Thorp
David, why’d you get involved?
David Swanson
Well, I think because we were trying to say, you know, and again, going back to the days after that, you may recall there was tremendous upheaval all over our country, especially college campuses, all those kinds of things. And to hear, you know, Joel and Alan kind of rally a small group together and say, we want to be sure that what we’re seeing in other places in the country doesn’t happen here, and how can we ensure that that doesn’t happen. And it starts with relationships and getting people together. So that first meeting, I think the fact that you got that many people in a room on two-days’ notice showed you how important everyone thought it was. I have no doubt that people rearranged their schedules in order to be there because it was that important. And so I wanted to be a part of whatever was going to bubble up in central Florida because I felt like, you know, I certainly hadn’t heard of anything else like this happening in any other city. And I thought we could actually be a model for something different in how people are responding. So that’s why I wanted to be part of it.
Joel Hunter
Let me also insert here that in that first meeting, David really began something that I’ve never seen before in Central Florida. He and Bishop Wiggins both stood up and said, I don’t want to just sign a statement. I want for this to create relationships. I want this to go wider and deeper than simply another statement that we signed. And so that was the genesis of what we have now, a network of faith leaders across central Florida. We have 125 faith leaders from every faith and no faith. This is unprecedented in our area.
Case Thorp
And that’s just faith leaders or that includes the other sectors?
Joel Hunter
No, that’s just faith leaders. David and Bishop Wiggins are the co-chair of that group, they’re the conveners of that group. But it’s unbelievable the number of people who have said, I want to build friendships so that we can build understanding with other faith leaders.
Case Thorp
If anybody listening wants to go see more, consider signing it yourself, centralfloridapledge.com, centralfloridapledge.com. Guys, what’s been some of the fruit of this? Because I guess we’re going on a year and a half at this point.
David Swanson
I’ll jump in and say, you know, one of the things we’ve done, at least with the faith leaders, and that’s my perspective, can talk about things wider than that, but we’ve been intentionally meeting in different faith community locations. So we’ve met in a synagogue, we’ve met in a mosque. We’ve met in a Christian church. And so when we go to these different places, we learn something about their tradition and their practice. I think that’s been wonderful. And then we had an amazing time at the mosque in Sanford when the United States attorney for this region came and some other attorneys on his staff to talk about, and I may butcher the words here, but what constitutes a hate crime, how do we respond to these things, and it was really super practical because part of the pledge is if I see something, I’ll do something. Like I’m not going to just sit there. And so I think for all of us, that was some important learning. So it’s not like we get together, we have lunch, and yes, there’s relationship building, but there’s also important content that’s happening. And so that was one that stood out for me.
Joel Hunter
There are also major both preventative results and productive results. A preventative result, Alan gave this example at a recent luncheon of the pledge leaders, when all of the Palestinian versus Jewish student protests broke out all over the country. There was a rumor or an understanding that there was going to be major trouble on the UCF campus. And CNN sent down a news crew in order to film the trouble. But there was no trouble. And when they asked why, they said it’s because the Palestinian Association and Hillel got together and they agreed to have a conversation instead of a demonstration. And so there’s nothing and they had to fold up their cameras and go back.
Case Thorp
Wow, that’s wonderful. They didn’t capture the peaceful story.
Joel Hunter
That’s exactly right, yeah, they missed the main story because they were looking for the conflict only. That’s the point. Then more recently, a few weeks ago, there’s a student movement, literally, called the Phoenix Generation. We had 400 students gather at Stetson on their campus, both high school students and college students from, I think, 40 different schools. 400 of them came together to become a part of the pledge on their campuses and to be trained in kind of anti-hate, let’s enlarge understanding, let’s respect people, especially those with whom we disagree kind of curriculum. And so we’ve got that whole movement happening. And then more recently, and I’ll close with this, we’ve had a group that has strategized disruption for LGBTQ+ affirming churches that has so far targeted at least five churches that I can think of, and many of those disrupted worship in the middle of worship, which is against the law. I’m sure this group doesn’t realize that.
Case Thorp
It is against the law.
Joel Hunter
Yeah, absolutely. And so it was so destabilizing. They wait for the moment and then this one of them gets up and just starts calling this den of iniquity and starts arguing theology and so on and so forth. So this Monday we are gathering those pastors with Sheriff Mina and Chief Smith. And I think Mayor Demings might be there. He’s the one that called the meeting or called those two to meet with these pastors so that they can figure out, okay, what’s the legal aspect? And we can figure out what is the surrounding support aspect that the community can do neighbors standing with neighbors. Because again, I think we’re the only community based first responders in the country that says we can’t leave this to the police. This is a cultural matter. This is a kind of community we want to build. We’re just trying to, again, trying to figure out what our role is to complement and supplement what has been left to law enforcement before.
Case Thorp
Well, I want our listeners to know that’s actually how we threw this interview together so quickly. And I really appreciate you, Joel and David being available because of this real time incident of hate and harassment at these LGBTQ congregations. So there was this incident at it here locally. And y’all this past Sunday, went and encouraged and stood with that congregation. And so tell us what happened and how your fellow pledgers responded.
Joel Hunter
David, you want to take the lead on this?
David Swanson
Well, as Joel referred to, there was a particular group, and I think what was particularly insidious about them is they come to the church as if they’re visitors. And they come into the sanctuary, they sit down like they’re just going to attend worship, and 15, 20 minutes into the service, they stand up out of nowhere and things start happening. I became aware of this because of some social media posts from people that I was friends with and knew really from relationships at First Pres. And they had posted a video of what this one particular individual and his family, his children were there. And it just was screaming all the wrong things.
Case Thorp
This is a news report video and we’ll put that in our show notes.
David Swanson
And it’s very frightening and very…very destabilizing. You just don’t know what to do. Nobody knew how to handle it. There wasn’t any security there, no police. And so it just went on and on. And so not only this particular choice is Joy Metropolitan Community Church, they’d also been to Windermere Union and to St. Luke’s Methodist and Broadway Methodist. So it was not limited to this church, but I think the most recent act like this happened at Joy.
David Swanson
I’m not sure at that point, I don’t know how the pledge, Joel, how you all were contacted, but next thing I knew, the pledge had sent out an email inviting people if they were able to come on Sunday and sort of ring the church, if you will, and show support. So I’ll let Joel kind of fill in the blanks on the rest of it.
Joel Hunter
Well, when we heard the report, we knew that it would be great to call together those who were available. And so on two-days’ notice, 70 of the pledge signatories turned out, David was among them, which was really cool to have David there. And we all got t-shirts and just stood outside the church. Our purpose wasn’t to make a political statement, it wasn’t to argue theology, it wasn’t to demonstrate or shout slogans. It was just to literally surround the church or ring the church with a demonstration of solidarity and support so that, and here’s the key, they could have a worship service without fear. The week before they had been invaded. Now they have people who are there to say, you’re still a part of the community. And the great thing is this isn’t about theology. I’m a conservative Christian for crying out loud. We don’t have to agree theologically. But all of us can agree on the freedom of religion, the right to worship without fear, and the right to not feel alone. I don’t know if that’s a right or that’s just a benefit of being a part of a community. But having your neighbor love you as they love themselves. Having your neighbor just stand with you. And so there we were and what was funny is we, you know, there are 70 people kind of coming and going. But we start out with a line, we’re not saying anything, we’re just present, letting the congregation know we’re with them. And about 20 minutes in, we’re all broken up into clusters, talking to one another, building relationships, really having a great time, and getting to know each other. So building neighbors, neighbor relationships, even as we’re doing that. And there was a result of there’s an instigating congregation that I won’t mention. But there were consequences that came to them from the person who was leasing them space for their congregation because he saw the news report on it and he didn’t want any part of being with this kind of hate. And so it had very practical results, but even more important to us, it had the emotional and relational solidarity that we want to see in our community so that everybody is not only respected, but they feel like they belong. And so that was the result of that.
David Swanson
I was very gratified when worship was over after the first service. A number of the people came out and would speak to us and thank us. Most everyone who stopped, as Joel described, we were all kind of clustered up at that point, most everyone who stopped in the little cluster that I was in became emotional about, you know, nobody was weeping, but their voice would crack when they would say, thank you for being here. They felt seen, they felt supported, they felt loved, and I thought, what a great way to spend the morning if we can do that for a group of our friends in the community.
Case Thorp
Sure. Well, the pledge’s follow-up email to this event said, because of you, we proved that standing for religious freedom isn’t about agreeing on everything. It’s about ensuring that no one of any faith ever feels threatened for how they worship. We can’t thank you enough for your courage, your presence, your unwavering commitment to showing up for your neighbors. That’s also a great little summary video that captures the event. We’ll put that in our show notes as well.
Well, I’m you know, the Nuance is a podcast about the public square and how we as Christians are helping to shape it, form it, to God’s glory. And what I appreciate y’all are doing is helping to ensure the liberal order, the classical liberal order, not a capital help in terms of the political divide right now, but the 200-300 year experiment of classical liberalism that says religious freedom matters and that violence or hate is not something we are to embody as individuals, but we’re to leave force to the governmental systems in terms of justice. And we’ve seen so much compromise, both left and right lately, in the last 10, 15 years of challenging the liberal, classical liberal order. And why do you think religious freedom seems to not be on the radar for so many or has dropped out of the scene for what it means to be an American?
David Swanson
Wow, that’s big question, Case. I think it is, I don’t know that it’s disappearing as a value. I think it is still valued. I just think that other things are trumping it more, namely, kind of First Amendment right to free speech. And so I think what happens is when we begin to, when a person’s identity becomes psychologically defined, that I am who I believe myself to be, my identity is an internal thing, then if you disagree with me, then you’re not just disagreeing with an idea, you’re now discounting me personally, and that’s how we, yeah, so we get into identity politics and all those things. And so now the First Amendment, you know, our right to free speech, that’s come into question because you’re not, we’re not as able to say whatever we want if it is viewed as hate speech or violence against another individual. And so I think the First Amendment and the things around those ideas is getting more than religious freedom because religious freedom kind of falls into that. Can you worship regardless of what you believe? What if you believe something that is opposed to or not in agreement with someone else’s ideology or theology? Can you hold to that? Do you still have that freedom? And so I think people who would say no to that are pushing religious freedom down to a certain extent. When I, just in the last few days, you people became aware that I was there on Sunday, you know, the quite well, why would you do that? Why would you go? Kind of to Joel’s point, yeah, you know, I’m a conservative Christian. What would you be doing there? And I’m like, that’s a religious freedom question. If that can happen at Joy Church, that can absolutely happen at First Pres. And that can happen at Action Church where Joel is on staff now. And that can happen anywhere. So I’m going to help them, but I’m also helping me by helping them. That’s why it really matters. I think too, and this is not exactly what you asked, Case, but you asked about oranges, so I’ll tell you about apples. I feel like we’ve been fed this false dichotomy, and Joel alluded to it a little bit. It’s like, if you disagree with me, then we can’t be in relationship. And that’s it. And I just don’t believe that that’s true. I think that in relationship, we’re both gonna disagree with different things in each other’s lives. I mean, that’s just part of being human. But that doesn’t mean that we both can’t agree on a number of things that we can then get in the saddle and work on, like homelessness and hunger and poverty and all the things that are going on. And I think that matters too.
Joel Hunter
I totally agree with that. I think there’s, in my mind, there’s two main factors. One is the polarization of practically everything now because the spread of social media gives us the capability of us entering into our own echo rooms where everyone agrees with us and it escalates the rhetoric, it escalates the sense of, well, the other side is not just disagreeing, they’re a threat to our very way of life and so rhetoric becomes weaponized and that’s just part of the dynamics of being able to isolate yourself into your own group as a way of self-affirmation that results in self-righteousness, that results in the attack of outsiders, the attack on outsiders. The other one is, there’s a real drive, my first book in 1988 was entitled Prayer, Politics, and Power. And as you referred to, Case, government is an instrument of coercion. And so rather than just relying on the free market of ideas, we’re always tempted. You know, just as Jesus was in the wilderness, you know. I’ll give you the kingdoms of this world. You just fall down and worship me. We’re still tempted with the same political attempts of power to elevate our own groups, our own group at the expense of other groups. And so we’ve just got to be very careful about guarding the well-being of our neighbor, guarding the well-being of our city, Jeremiah 29:7, because in its well-being will be our well-being. And David is right, if they can do this at the LGBTQ church, the next people you turn on is the synagogue or the mosque, but ultimately, you will be turned on if you do not agree with a group in power, even if they carry the same general religious title that you do, it’ll come back on us. So it’s just a way of creating a healthier community, which we can do. We don’t have much power when it comes to the state or the country or the world, but we can certainly have a major impact on our own community.
Case Thorp
Well, Joel, you’re getting there where I want to go next with little teasers. Help the Christian understand, why should this matter to me? Because we have our American value system, but we serve a greater kingdom. And what is it in Christian theology that says religious freedom is a good thing because the classical liberal order came out of Christian thinking and Christian society. So help the listener make that connection to why the Christian should care about this today.
Joel Hunter
Well, first one, the great commandment is really clear. When they asked Jesus what’s the most important commandment, he responded with, love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength, and your neighbor as yourself. Christianity grew in its original form from being a persecuted minority to the major religion of the world because we had two things going for us. And you can read this in Rodney Stark’s Rise of Christianity. One was we had a very clear theology about what happened after we died. That’s always a priority with anybody who has had a loved one die. But the other one was that we took care of everybody. We just didn’t take care of our own. When there was an epidemic and the rich people all headed to the hills, the Christians stayed behind and they took care of the sick at the risk of their own lives. And it wasn’t just their congregations, it was anybody who was sick. And so the very heart of Jesus is that everyone should benefit, not just those of your particular faith group. So it’s important for Christians to care because this is the essence of the gospel that God so loved the world that he gave his own and begotten son. And we should care about everybody’s well-being. And if we believe in the truth and that truth wins in the end, the truth that will stand in the end, wins is not a good term. The truth will stand in the end, then we don’t need to worry about any faith that’s variant from the truth. If we practice the truth, and that truth is love one another as I have loved you, then we’re going to have not only a better community, we’re going to have a stronger church.
Case Thorp
But Joel, Joel, Joel, I could hear the objector say, there are other religious groups and people groups that are a threat to Christianity and they’re going to compromise who we are and how can we want to help support them and give them space? What would you say?
Joel Hunter
They’re not a threat. There’s nobody that threatens God. There’s nobody that threatens Christ. I love the quote that you have. There is not one inch of, I can’t remember the universe, that God is not sovereign.
Case Thorp
We’re big Kuyperians around here. Abraham Kuyper. There’s not one square inch of the universe in which Christ does not say mine.
Joel Hunter
Yes, Abraham Kuyper, yes. There you go, Abraham Kuyper. People are insecure. Our battle is not against flesh and blood, nor is it against ideologies or religions. So there’s no threat except distracting us from practicing what we believe.
David Swanson
Exactly. And, you know, in case you’re asking, you know, to a Christian, why should I care about this? You know, what about these other groups? And I just, and I preached this to First Pres all the time. It goes back to our understanding of who God is as creator, that God has created all people in his image, the Imago Dei. To me, that’s critical in the answer to that question, is if we believe that we all reflect the image of God, then every human being, no matter who they are, what they believe or what they’ve done is worthy of being treated with dignity and respect and love as that which has proceeded from the hand of Almighty God. And so who are we to diminish what God has made in any way? So of course we do that. And I go back to our community when we did Project DTO, the original Project DTO I think was in 2012, yeah, new vision plan, and there was a social fabric committee. And that committee came out with a statement that said, can tell the social fabric or the strength of a community’s social fabric by the way in which that community cares for one another, especially the least and the lost.
Case Thorp
Downtown Orlando, DTO.
David Swanson
And I had a tiny bit to do with the writing of that statement. And I didn’t tell anybody, but that comes right out of Matthew 25, which is, you know, when you’ve done it to the least of these, you’ve done it unto me. And I think that is some of the undergirding foundation as to why we should care about these things.
Case Thorp
So good, so good. In closing, I’d love to hear y’all share. What’s been a surprise in this? What did you not expect going in that has surprised you?
David Swanson
Well, that’s easy for me. I think I’ve been surprised by how rapidly an enormously diverse, the most diverse group of people I’ve ever been in, has actually come together and functioned in peace and in good, healthy discussion and dialogue and with favor towards one another. And I mean, Imams and rabbis and pastors and educators and you know, I just didn’t think, it happened that fast and I’ve been so gratified and so humbled to be a part of something like that.
Case Thorp
That American value is there alive and well, Joel.
Joel Hunter
Yeah, I totally agree with that and I would just extend it or expand it a little bit. In these days when the culture is more divided and more weaponized and more probably accusatory than I’ve ever seen it, this is from the ‘60s for crying out loud, I’ve never seen it so personally accusatory. And we all know Satan is the great accuser. So I think that the timing of what we’re offering, something that is positive and constructive and loving and shows the kind of as David said, respect because everyone is made in the image of God and deserves to live a life of dignity. I just think that what surprised me were, A, the response of the religious leaders. We’ve never had this many faith leaders in central Florida sign up for anything. It’s just unprecedented. But also, the different sectors, you know, the president of Advent Health, all the Rotary Clubs of District 6980 or whatever it was, I mean, I’m going to so many Rotary Clubs, just these basic civic organizations that get together to build a network of caring relationships but also do public service. They see this as a godsend. And Monday, we’re gonna have lunch with Frank Santos, who took over for Harris Rosen, who sees this as absolutely essential for his entire bank of employees.
Case Thorp
That’s a big hotel conglomerate here in Orlando.
Joel Hunter
Because he wants to build that into the hospitality sector of that industry in central Florida. So the breadth of this and the response and the momentum we now have that we’re not working for, it’s just happening. So there’s a resonance here. And again, I just think that the great commandment is built into every heart.
Case Thorp
Right. Well, gentlemen, thank you for your time. Thank you for your work. Certainly something that we need. I appreciate you being here.
Joel Hunter
Thank you.
David Swanson
Thank you for having us guys.
Case Thorp
Well, friends, let me encourage you, go sign this pledge centralfloridapledge.com. You’ll also find in our show notes, links to the various things we’ve mentioned. Thank you for joining us. Remember to like and share. It really helps us to get the word out. Leave a review wherever you get your podcast. You can visit us at www.wecolabor.com for all sorts of content. Give us your email and we’ll send you a 31 day faith and work prompt journal and you can sign up for five day e-news devotional that David Swanson, one of you, you even wrote actually many years ago. I don’t know if you remember. You’ll find us across the social media platforms. Don’t forget Nuance Formed for Faithfulness, a weekly 10 minute devotional for the working Christian that follows the liturgical calendar. Many thanks to our sponsor, the V3 Family Foundation. I’m Case Thorp, and God’s blessings on you.
